GCS Band Directors Meeting
Grimsley High School Band Room
March 14, 2011
Meeting Called to order by lead teacher Ed Kimbrough
Open Discussion on the events that occurred at the All County Band Auditions on February 8th, 2011.
Student Volunteers
- Student volunteers should be well trained.
- There needs to be better communication between runners and audition rooms.
- Where they trained on what to do? How were they trained?
Brian McMath volunteered to help train the helpers for next year’s auditions.
Problems:
- There needs to be adequate training for helpers and judges
- There were horns sitting for an hour outside the audition rooms
- Horns need two rooms instead of doing all parts of the audition in one room
- Stefan- Directors need to be trained and follow directions. If they don’t there needs to be consequences for them.
- Trent- Can we use the CDBA handbook?
- Stefan- Is there any consequences for directors who break protocol?
- Jeremy- In the CDBA By Laws, letters will be sent to the directors principal if they continue to disregard the rules. If their misconduct continues then their students/school will be ineligible to audition.
- Brent- We should be glad to have the All County program because some schools systems do not. We need to make positive light of it.
- Juli- Had a question about scores. Middle School Trombones almost took a week to get the scores back. What is the deal about getting judges sheets to the scoring room? Can we have the room helpers hold the sheets till auditions are done and send the sheets all at once?
- K. Butler- There was no consistency between judge 1 and 2
- Juli- Why does judge 1 or 2 have anything to do with scores?
- Jeremy- It makes it easier to see that the judges stay consistent in scoring. The end outcome is the same.
- Hal- this would be a procedure issue
- K. Butler- Actually right now there is not a place to sign on score sheets so no one knows who it is.
- Ashley- Can we do it on lap tops and use google documents- spread sheet?
- Open discussion about online scoring
- Then tabled till a later meeting.
- Stefan- Jeremy will you do the scoring next year?
- Jeremy- Yes.
- K. Butler- I saw kids who hadn’t audition have scores already in the spreadsheets in the judging room. Why was this?
- The spreadsheets from last year’s auditions were used and not zeroed out. With the old scores in the spreadsheet it was difficult to tell who’s scores had been entered.
- Can we call only 5 horns at a time instead of 10? The horns where in the audition hallway too long.
- K. Butler- Can oboe cuts be known before?
- Ed- Copy of the solo list should be available for judge’s room so judges can check to make sure the cuts are to the right solo/movement and the first two pages.
- Tammy- I was in the oboe room. Listening to the first few auditions I could tell something was wrong. I tried to get the runner to find out if it was the right solo. They could not find anyone. I got the runner to send all the oboes back to the warm up area. We need to have a movement list in the judge’s packet to check movements/cuts. I think we need leeway in cuts and have input as directors in the decisions that were made. It’s about the student getting a good audition experience.
- Ed- No one was putting blame on you.
- Tammy- I couldn’t find anyone for help when I had a question. Someone should be available at a central location for advice and questions.
- Juli- We should get some of the “old farts”, term of endearment, who have retired to come and help.
- Brian- In years past he could remember as a judge making the cuts himself for his room. Can we do that again?
- Jeremy- Two problems occurred when we did this in the past and that is why we don’t do it anymore:
- Judges were making cuts out of range for instruments
- Directors were telling students where the cuts would be
- It shouldn’t be that hard to look at the solo list and the scale sheets to make sure the solo is right and the cuts are within the range.
- Jeremy- Two problems occurred when we did this in the past and that is why we don’t do it anymore:
- Ed- There were judges hearing auditions past 9pm because cuts were way too long.
Jeremy- I make a motion to adopt the CDBA Hand Book for our guidelines.
Discussion:
- Andy- Is everything in the handbook applicable to county level?
- Ed- We only use the first two pages of the solo
Jeremy- I motion that we accept it now as is and in September amend it to meet our county.
- Brian- I think the amendment needs to happen in April to be ready for next year while it is still fresh in our minds.
- Ed- Do you want to send out before the April meeting?
- It is on the CDBA website
- Juli- When addressing parent, we were questioned why it didn’t go as well as district? We shot ourselves in the foot and appeared not prepared for auditions.
- Jeremy- The audition time slots worked well BUT you and your students have to be on time so auditions can begin on time. We would have to be more strict with audition times and keep sheets at the rooms.
- Juli- Would a financial obligation keep more to come and less no shows?
- Andy- Answer to finical obligation: At the orchestra meeting Nathan brought up a $2 fee for auditions and another $2 for the clinic.
- Ed- we should vote on this when Nathan brings it up.
- Jeremy- I’m not for it but when the budget is tight it might have to happen so we can continue to have the event.
- Ed- There are many costs that are associated with All County- substitutes, clinicians, and music.
Ed- Let’s review points that people have made so far:
1. Band Directors should have a meeting before to go over rules procedures
2. There was an issue with the number of students called at a time to go to audition rooms
3. The runners and parent helpers hold be trained so they are consistent with their procedures
4. Horns need 2 rooms
5. There is an issue with score sheets going to the scoring room from audition rooms. Ed suggests that maybe judges enter their own scores when they are done judging
6. Establish judge 1 and 2 on score sheets to keep consistency
7. Include CDBA Solo List with correct movements so judges can double check cuts
8. Establish a job for resource for anyone who has questions or issues that arise unexpectedly
a. Brian- Isn’t that the job of the auditions chair? Answer they are judging
b. Ashley- Nathan should be kept our of the judging room
c. Ed- auditions chairs for MS / HS and Nathan should be the ones for the resources
d. Brian- there are plenty of retired directors and college students that can help
9. Adapt the CDBA Handbook to meet our county needs
10. We should have audition times like at the district level.
11. Possibly add a fee to auditions and clinic
Ed- Are there any other issues or concerns?
- K. Butler- Auditions Chair and site host should have a sub for half a day to make sure they get there on time to set up and run things
- Hal- A lot of times if you work out with your principal before so you can leave early
- Stefan- We have to get everyone there on time
- K. Butler- Chair needs to get to auditions host a day early so they can be ready to start
- Get judges in the right room (principle instrument) or at least one lead judge if possible
- K. Butler-Nathan can email principal about the auditions
- Andy will be the HS Clinic Chair
- Music folders
- Percussion needed
- Seating Chart- show how many students; chairs and stands needed
- Stefan- Chairs need to come the day before or early with names cards on the stands
- MS Clinic Chairs- Kristen and Ashley
- K. Butler- Auditions Chairs can ask lead teacher when making cuts
Clinic
- Start at 9am
- Be here on time
- Is anyone in charge of equipment?
- Andy and Stefan
- Stefan- If music needs different percussion instruments I need to know. I still need some vibes.
- Will it be recorded? We have to check with Nathan to make sure in place. Hal will check with Nathan.
- K. Butler- We need to thank Wells Trophy in the program for the trophies they made
- Stefan- I would like to introduce the HS clinician
- Hal- What about horns?
- Ed- They will audition when they get there, they will sight read new parts so seats can be established.
- We should start auditions right at 9am to get them on the concert music ASAP.
- Stefan will get the rooms for audition
- Ed- Do we need to hear scales, solo and sight reading?
- Juli- Can we get them here earlier like 8am?
- Stefan- Can we do it after school?
- Juli- There is too much going on after school
- K. Butler- Ask all HS Horn Directors first before we make a decision
- Directors then volunteered to judge
- Hal made a motion to adjourn
- Stefan seconded
